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Islamic controversial concepts part 10 (abrogation) final part

Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
religion, war, islam, muslims, truth, quran, muhammad, hadith
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Looking at hadith, we find some samples proving and further explaining the concept of abrogation.

Buhkary

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 32:

Narrated 'Ata:

That he heard Ibn 'Abbas reciting the Divine Verse:--

"And for those who can fast they had a choice either fast, or feed a poor for every day.." (2.184) Ibn 'Abbas said, "This Verse is not abrogated, but it is meant for old men and old women who have no strength to fast, so they should feed one poor person for each day of fasting (instead of fasting)."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 33:

Narrated Nafi:

Ibn 'Umar recited:

"They had a choice, either fast or feed a poor for every day.." and added, "This Verse is abrogated."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 34:

Narrated Salama:

When the Divine Revelation:

"For those who can fast, they had a choice either fast, or feed a poor for every day," (2.184) was revealed, it was permissible for one to give a ransom and give up fasting, till the Verse succeeding it was revealed and abrogated it.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 53:

Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to 'Uthman bin 'Affan (while he was collecting the Qur'an) regarding the Verse:-- "Those of you who die and leave wives ..." (2.240) "This Verse was abrogated by an other Verse. So why should you write it? (Or leave it in the Qur'an)?" 'Uthman said. "O son of my brother! I will not shift anything of it from its place."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 54:

Narrated Mujahi:

(regarding the Verse):-- "Those of you who die and leave wives behind. They - (their wives) -- shall wait (as regards their marriage ) for four months and ten days)." (2.234)

The widow, according to this Verse, was to spend this period of waiting with her husband's family, so Allah revealed: "Those of you who die and leave wives (i.e. widows) should bequeath for their wives, a year's maintenance and residences without turning them out, but if they leave (their residence), there is no blame on you for what they do with themselves provided it is honorable.' (i.e. lawful marriage) (2.240).

So Allah entitled the widow to be bequeathed extra maintenance for seven months and twenty nights, and that is the completion of one year. If she wished she could stay (in her husband's home) according to the will, and she could leave it if she wished, as Allah says:

"..without turning them out, but if they leave (the residence), there is no blame on you." So the 'Idda (i.e. four months and ten days as it) is obligatory for her.

'Ata said: Ibn 'Abbas said, "This Verse, i.e. the Statement of Allah: "..without turning them out.." cancelled the obligation of staying for the waiting period in her dead husband's house, and she can complete this period wherever she likes." 'Ata's aid: If she wished, she could complete her 'Idda by staying in her dead husband's residence according to the will or leave it according to Allah's Statement:--

"There is no blame on you for what they do with themselves." 'Ata' added: Later the regulations of inheritance came and abrogated the order of the dwelling of the widow (in her dead husband's house), so she could complete the 'Idda wherever she likes. And it was no longer necessary to provide her with a residence. Ibn 'Abbas said, "This Verse abrogated her (i.e. widow's) dwelling in her dead husband's house and she could complete the 'Idda (i.e. four months and ten days) wherever she liked, as Allah's Statement says:--"...without turning them out..."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 60:

Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to 'Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara:

"Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" 'Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Quran) from its original position."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 68:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

This Verse:--"Whether you show what is in your minds or conceal it.." (2.284) was abrogated.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 69:

Narrated Marwan Al-Asghar:

A man from the companions of Allah's Apostle who I think, was Ibn 'Umar said, "The Verse:--"Whether you show what is in your minds or conceal it...." was abrogated by the Verse following it."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 100:

Narrated Ikrama:

Ibn Abbas said ( regarding the verse), "And when the relatives and the orphans and the poor are present at the time of division, "this verse and its order is valid and not abrogated."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 114:

Narrated Said bin Jubair:

The people of Kufa disagreed (disputed) about the above Verse. So I went to Ibn Abbas and asked him about it. He said, "This Verse:-- "And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell." was revealed last of all (concerning premeditated murder) and nothing abrogated it."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 285:

Narrated Al-Qasim bin Abi Bazza:

That he asked Said bin Jubair, "Is there any repentance of the one who has murdered a believer intentionally?" Then I recited to him:--

"Nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden except for a just cause." Said said, "I recited this very Verse before Ibn 'Abbas as you have recited it before me. Ibn 'Abbas said, 'This Verse was revealed in Mecca and it has been abrogated by a Verse in Surat-An-Nisa which was later revealed in Medina."

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 289:

Narrated Said bin Jubair:

Abdur-Rahman bin Abza ordered me to ask Ibn 'Abbas regarding the two Verses (the first of which was ):

"And whosoever murders a believer intentionally." (4.93) So I asked him, and he said, "Nothing has abrogated this Verse." About (the other Verse): 'And those who invoke not with Allah any other god.' he said, "It was revealed concerning the pagans,'

Volume 7, Book 70, Number 562:

Narrated 'Aisha:

During the ailment of the Prophet some people came to visits him. He led them in prayer while sitting. but they prayed standing, so he waved to them to sit down. When he had finished the prayer, he said, "An Imam is to be followed, so when he bows, you should bow. and when he raises his head, you should raise yours, and if he prays sitting. you should pray sitting." Abu Abdullah said Al-Humaidi said, (The order of ) "This narration has been abrogated by the last action of the Prophet as he led the prayer sitting, while the people prayed standing behind him'

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 8:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

Umar said, "Our best Qur'an reciter is Ubai and our best judge is 'Ali; and in spite of this, we leave some of the statements of Ubai because Ubai says, 'I do not leave anything that I have heard from Allah's Apostle while Allah:

"Whatever verse (Revelations) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We bring a better one or similar to it." (2.106)

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394:

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual"), and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying: 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'). When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)."

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Goes

This is the final chapter on this topic.

In my research, I also found the following interesting hadiths on how Islam looks at all others. According to them, we were all Muslims by birth, and somehow we all went astray, and we need to come back to Islam.

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 441:

Narrated Abu Huraira :

Allah's Apostle said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism, Christianity or Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: "The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith of Islam) (i.e. worshipping none but Allah) with which He has created human beings. No change let there be in the religion of Allah (i.e. joining none in worship with Allah). That is the straight religion (Islam) but most of men know, not." (30.30)

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 298:

Narrated Abu- Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "No child is born except on Al-Fitra (Islam) and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian, as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?" Then he rec

'The religion of pure Islamic Faith (Hanifa),(i.e. to worship none but Allah), The pure Allah's Islamic nature with which He (Allah) has created mankind. Let There be no change in Allah's religion (i.e. to join none in Allah's worship). That is the straight religion; but most of men know not..." (30.30)

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:06 PM EDT
Goes

Summarizing the Islamic story.

Muhammad wanted to become the most powerful king in his region. to achieve and maintain this goal, he created Islam to be the superior and dominant religion. To serve his goal he seeded the concept of Jihad in Islam, which is sacrificing everything in the cause of Allah, which is spreading the religion by all means. To cover up this main goal of Islam, it had to have some supportive concepts, which are deception (taqeyia), and abrogation.

And for this reason Islam cannot be only a religion, it has to be a political religion, or as it is known in the Arabic Muslim world. Islam is a religion and a nation.

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Reply#2 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:47 AM EDT
Ripley8

funny , Christianity thinks along the same lines.

    Reply#3 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:07 AM EDT
    Goes

    Funny, you jumped to comparing apples and oranges.

    • 1 vote
    #3.1 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:10 AM EDT
    Ripley8

    not apples and oranges.. both are myths.

    any any religion that believes god feels the petty emotions of anger and jealousy as the abrahamic three do ? emotions based in fear and insecurity ? isn't much of a god... then again man made god in his image.

      #3.2 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:47 AM EDT
      Goes

      OK, I understand now, you are taking any chance to bash all religions. I don't think that I bashed anything or anyone here even Islam and its prophet. That means you are in the wrong spot for exercising your bashing hobby. Thank you for stopping by anyways.

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      #3.3 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
      Ripley8

      stating the facts is not bashing Goes ...

        #3.4 - Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT
        Goes

        But I still see that putting Christianity in the same pool as Islam is not fair. Christianity and Christ never taught anything but love and forgiveness, and that what Islam failed to do.

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        #3.5 - Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:10 AM EDT
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        Water Hole

        I think, every one should read koran to understand the truth behind islam.

        I wonder if Satanic Verses is available online.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#4 - Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:53 AM EDT
        Goes

        Mention of them are available here and there, but it is not available in the Qur'an or any of its translations.

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        #4.1 - Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:48 PM EDT
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        Don_Q

        not apples and oranges.. both are myths.

        Then our only concern as atheists should be:

        Are people acting on these myths? YES

        Is one religion's violence worse than another? NO

        Should Islam be protected from criticism because Christianity was violent first? NO

        Ripley8, you seem to think that Islam should be protected from criticism because of Christian violence. Please explain the logic behind this.

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        Reply#5 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT
        Goes

        Don_Q

        Thank you for your rational thinking, if you want to criticize religion, you need to find where it is criticized than add your input.

        It seems that Ripley8 is taking every opportunity to criticize or even bash Christianity regardless of the topic in hand, or the material that is being presented.

        I don't mind anyone criticizing Christianity, but it should be done where Christianity is being discussed.

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        #5.1 - Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:38 AM EDT
        Water Hole

        Goes #5.1 : I agree. Let us stick to the topic of the thread.

        To start with, there is nothing controversial about islam, only difference is that it looks controversial to us, since we are not initiated into killing human beings, destruction or blowing things up.

        islam is based on social system followed by sixth century beduin arabs who lived in desert and had no culture other than hatred for others, killing others to loot their wealth or to capture their women as booty.

        And koran only talks about this.

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        #5.2 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:46 AM EDT
        Goes

        Thank you for the link, interesting.

        • 2 votes
        #5.3 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:30 AM EDT
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        Water Hole

        And here is what islamists want to do :

        Britain's "Islamic Emirates Project"

        by Soeren Kern
        July 21, 2011 at 5:00 am

        A Muslim group in the United Kingdom has launched a campaign to turn twelve British cities – including what it calls "Londonistan" – into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic Sharia law and operate entirely outside British jurisprudence.

        The Islamic Emirates Project, launched by the Muslims Against the Crusades group, names the British cities of Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, as well as Waltham Forest in northeast London and Tower Hamlets in East London as territories to be targeted for blanket Sharia rule.

        The project, which uses the motto "The end of man-made law, and the start of Sharia law," was launched exactly six years after Muslim suicide bombers killed 52 people and injured 800 others in London. A July 7, 2011 announcement posted on the Muslims Against the Crusades website, states:

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        Reply#6 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:49 PM EDT
        Fareed Siddique

        Salaam Alaikum all

        This is a age old story being repeatedly thrown our way. The answer is here for those who want to know the answer to this. Read: http://fareedsiddique.newsvine.com/_news/2011/03/15/6275073-abrogation-or-turned-into-lies

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        Reply#7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM EST
        Goes

        Farid, thank you for stopping by, and trying to answer. Your answer is based on one idea, which is Qur'an abrogating the previous religions. The above hadiths, clearly show that the abrogation also happened withing the Qur'an itself and its rules. In case you did not know there are three types of abrogations in the Qur'an.

        1- Both wordings and judgment were abrogated.

        2- What the wordings were abrogated, and the judgement remained (ayat al rajm).

        3-what was both abrogated, the wordings and the rule (al Gharaniq Al ola).

        I have more than one topic explaining the abrogation concept in Islam, you can read them all.

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        #7.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:13 PM EST
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