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Who is Allah?!

Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:08 PM EST
religion, islam, allah
By Goes
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It is very well known for all the world that Allah, is the Arabic translation of GOD, it is also known that all Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, are Abrahamic religions.

First the term Abrahamic religions was not known to either Jews, or Christians before Islam. Muhammad created this idea, and the term, so he can legitimatize his own religion. Also originally, and before the appearance of this term, neither Jews, nor Christians, had the need to relate teir religions to Abraham. Moreover, till this day they don't have that need, they relate their religions to Moses, and Christ. So the term Abrahamic religions, was created, and used by Islam, to engage itself, with the two main religions, which are undoubtedly from GOD.

Second the word Allah, referring to Muslim's GOD, and the claim that he is the same GOD of both the Jews, and Christians is also incorrect.

What Archaeology Says about Allah
Muslims claim that in pre-Islamic times, "Allah" was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets and apostles. Indeed, the credibility of Islam as a religion stands or falls on its core claim of historical continuity with Judaism and Christianity. No wonder, then, that many Muslims get uppity when the claims of Islam are subjected to the hard science of archaeology.
Because archaeology provides irrefutable evidence that Allah, far from being the biblical God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, was actually the pre-Islamic pagan moon-god. Indeed, it is an established archaeological fact that worship of the moon-god was the main religion of the ancient Middle East.
But what about the Arabian Peninsula, where Mohammed (570-632) launched Islam? During the last two centuries, prominent archaeologists have unearthed thousands of inscriptions which prove beyond any doubt that the dominant religion of Arabia during Mohammed's day was the cult of the moon-god.
In fact, for generations before Mohammed was born, the Arabs worshipped some 360 pagan gods housed at a stone temple in Mecca called the Kabah. According to archaeologists, the chief deity of Mecca was the moon-god called al-ilah (meaning the god or the idol), which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. Pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave themselves: Mohammed's father (Abdallah), for example, had Allah as part of his name.
What History Says about Allah
Historians say that pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped the moon-god by bowing in prayer toward Mecca several times a day. They would also make a pilgrimage to Mecca, run around the Kabah seven times and throw stones at the devil. And they fasted for one month, which began with the appearance of the crescent moon and ended when the crescent moon reappeared.
These same rites form the core of Islam today: Muslims bow in prayer toward Mecca; they make a pilgrimage to Mecca and run around the Kabah seven times; and they still throw stones at the devil. They also observe the fast of Ramadan, which begins and ends with the crescent moon.
Moreover, the ancient symbol of the pagan moon-god, the crescent moon, is the official symbol of Islam; it appears on the flags of Muslim countries, as well as on the tops of mosques and minarets everywhere.
Historians say that Mohammed, who as a traveling trader was exposed to Judaism and Christianity during his visits to different parts of the Middle East, tried to mimic those monotheistic faiths by taking Allah, the main deity within the Arabian pantheon, and making it the only god. Indeed, the basic confession of Islam is not that "Allah is Great" but that "Allah is Greater". Greater than all the other idols, that is.
But Islam also draws from other pagan traditions. For example, the tale of Mohammed's night journey into heaven parallels the Zoroastrian story of Arta Viraf. Zoroastrianism also inspired the Islamic belief that dark-eyed virgins await every man who enters heaven. And the Islamic ritual of praying five times a day? That, historians say, originates with the Sabeans, Syrian pagans who practiced an ecumenical mixture of Babylonian and Hellenic religion.

Who is Allah?

To confirm the above quote which is saying that the Muslim haj, is originally a pagan cermony

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (At-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba."

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.' (See Hadith No. 365 Vol. 1)

Volume 4, Book 53, Number 402:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Abu Bakr, on the day of Nahr (i.e. slaughtering of animals for sacrifice), sent me in the company of others to make this announcement: "After this year, no pagan will be allowed to perform the Hajj, and none will be allowed to perform the Tawaf of the Ka'ba undressed." And the day of Al-Hajj-ul-Akbar is the day of Nahr, and it called Al-Akbar because the people call the 'Umra Al-Hajj-ul-Asghar (i.e. the minor Hajj). Abu Bakr threw back the pagans' covenant that year, and therefore, no pagan performed the Hajj in the year of Hajj-ul-Wada' of the Prophets.

This hadith reveals two realities, first haj was is a pagan habit, and they also performed it naked, all what Islam did, is covering them with a white sheet.

Muhammad hates you

Once again, back to Allah

The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[4][6] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept which Islam thoroughly and resolutely did away with. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name. All other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.[7] Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.[1][2] Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʼAb ( الله الأب, "God the Father") to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.[8] There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Hebrew Bible.[9] It has also been applied to certain living human beings as personifications of the term and concept.[10][11]

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Goes

One more observation, if you look to all Muslim feasts, and their calender, you will find it is connected, and related to the moon months. This also supports the tight connection between Islam, Allah, and the moon god.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:25 PM EST
Rank on Rank

Enlightening!

Thanks for posting, Goes!

Is there any reason given as to why pre Islamic pagan Arabs choose to worship the Moon (-goddess/god) in the first place?

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:57 PM EST
Goes

It was one of so many gods that were worshiped in the region, and Muhammad chose it to make it the greater, as the word Allah akbar translates, god is greater, and I always wondered greater than who?!

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:32 PM EST
AK Luahiwa

Goes,

Are you serious? I'm staring to see a pattern with you...

If what above is to be believe about Muslims, maybe you should see what others think about the Pagan influences in Christianity. What you are writing is beyond hypocritical. If you don't fully understand Christs teachings and where they came from what makes you an expert on Islam?

    #1.3 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:34 PM EST
    kpr37

    maybe you should see what others think about the Pagan influences in Christianity.

    if he is interested, all he has to do is ask, I'm a traditional Irish monotheistic "pagan", a Tuatha De' Danann

    Abraham was a "Babylonian pagan" before G*d, told him he should be Jewish.

    • 3 votes
    #1.4 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:00 PM EST
    AK Luahiwa

    Abraham was a "Babylonian pagan" before G*d, told him he should be Jewish.

    I think you meant "Hebrew".

    if he is interested, all he has to do is ask, I'm a traditional Irish monotheistic "pagan", a Tuatha De' Danann

    What is a monotheistic pagan? I assume you meant polytheistic pagan?

      #1.5 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:21 PM EST
      kpr37

      What is a monotheistic pagan?

      a monotheistic pagan is a Tuatha De' Danann or in English "Child of the goddess Danu"

      I assume you meant polytheistic pagan?

      you would be incorrect

        #1.6 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:30 PM EST
        kpr37

        I think you meant "Hebrew".

        No,I did not.

        http://www.yourdictionary.com/hebrew

      • any member of a group of Semitic peoples tracing descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; Israelite: in modern, esp. earlier, usage interchangeable with Jew

        • 1 vote
        #1.7 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:38 PM EST
        AK Luahiwa

        No,I did not.

        The Bible says Abram was known as the first "Hebrew" The term "Jew" or "Jewish" didn't arise until later "2nd kings" after the tribe of Judah.

        a monotheistic pagan is a Tuatha De' Danann or in English "Child of the goddess Danu"

        Interesting, I'm not too familiar with the "Tuatha De' Danann" beliefs.

          #1.8 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:37 PM EST
          Goes

          AK Luahiwa

          If what above is to be believe about Muslims, maybe you should see what others think about the Pagan influences in Christianity. What you are writing is beyond hypocritical. If you don't fully understand Christs teachings and where they came from what makes you an expert on Islam?

          I have no idea what is the relation you are trying to make here. I am talking about Islam being influenced, and risen from paganism. What does this has to do with Christianity, and paganism. Does anyone have to be an expert in Christianity first, to be able to become an expert on Islam?! I don't see the connection!

          • 3 votes
          #1.9 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:40 AM EST
          AK Luahiwa

          What does this has to do with Christianity, and paganism. Does anyone have to be an expert in Christianity first, to be able to become an expert on Islam?! I don't see the connection!

          Are you saying you are unaware that many Christian traditions and Holidays came from Paganism? You do know how the current Bible came into being right? (Constantine) You do understand that Rome was a Pagan nation right? You do understand Christmas was really the celebration of "Saturnalia" as well as the Birth date (Dec-25) of the warrior God Mithra?

          Are you stating to see the connection here?

          If that is the case you should just stop while you are ahead

            #1.10 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:33 PM EST
            Goes

            AK Luahiwa

            Still, what does all this has to do with my topic regarding Islam?! Don't mix apples, and oranges, Christianity, and Islam are not the same. Comparing the paganism influence on Christianity, doesn't support anything in the topic discussed here.

            • 2 votes
            #1.11 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST
            AK Luahiwa

            Still, what does all this has to do with my topic regarding Islam?! Don't mix apples, and oranges, Christianity, and Islam are not the same. Comparing the paganism influence on Christianity, doesn't support anything in the topic discussed here.

            So your message is hate and misunderstanding of others...May God guide you and lift you from your ignorance!

              #1.12 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 4:24 PM EST
              bluearcher

              AK Luahiwa

              The typical Muslim apologist attacks Christianity when confronted with the absurdities of Islam and the Koran.

              Muhammad was not an original thinker: he did not formulate any new ethical principles, but merely borrowed from the prevailing cultural milieu. The eclectic nature of Islam has been recognized for a long time. Even Muhammad knew Islam was not a new religion, and the revelations contained in the Koran merely confirmed already existing scriptures. The Prophet always claimed Islam's affiliation with the great religions of the Jews, Christians, and others. Muslim commentators such as al-Sharestani have acknowledged that the Prophet transferred to Islam the beliefs and practices of the heathen or pagan Arabs, especially into the ceremonies of the pilgrimage to Mecca. And yet Muslims in general continue to hold that their faith came directly from heaven, that the Koran was brought down by the angel Gabriel from God himself to Muhammad.

              Remove the Christian and Jewish aspects from the Koran and you are left with @ 40% of the material.

              • 2 votes
              #1.13 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT
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              kpr37

              Who is Allah?!

              or "what" is "allah"

              proper name, allah. "It" is the ("Ilah" =god ) of the pre Islamic Mekkans.

              It's a shattered piece of stone said to be a meteorite.

              Mohammad's father was named Abdullah "slave" of "allah" or servant or slave of, the black stone of the Kaaba

              the shahada starts "there is no ilah, but allah and Mohammad is the messenger of allah"

              it should start " there is no allah, but allah and Mohammad is the messenger of allah.

              but it does not.

              http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1379&Itemid=63

              «أُعْطِيتُ خَمْسًا لَمْ يُعْطَهُنَّ أَحَدٌ مِنَ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ قَبْلِي: نُصِرْتُ بِالرُّعْبِ مَسِيرَةَ شَهْرٍ، وَجُعِلَتْ لِيَ الْأَرْضُ مَسْجِدًا وَطَهُورًا، وَأُحِلَّتْ لِيَ الْغَنَائِمُ وَلَمْ تُحَلَّ لِأَحَدٍ قَبْلِي، وَأُعْطِيتُ الشَّفَاعَةَ، وَكَان النَّبِيُّ يُبْعَثُ إِلَى قَوْمِهِ، وَبُعِثْتُ إِلَى النَّاسِ عَامَّة»

              (I have been given five things which were not given to any Prophet before me. (They are:) Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. The earth has been made a place for praying and a purifyer for me.

              The booty has been made lawful for me, yet it = was not lawful for anyone else before me. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). Every Prophet used to be sent to his people only, but I have been sent to all mankind.)

              Al-A`mash narrated that Abu Salih said that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,

              «لَمْ تَحِلَّ الْغَنَائِمُ لِسُودِ الرُّؤُوسِ غَيْرَنَا»

              (War booty was never allowed for any among mankind except us.)

              of course not, the G * D of the Christians and Jews, had expressly forbidden such things.

              Different G*d, different rules, completely different rules, from a separate Deity.(like a little Arab "rock Deity" called "allah")

              ﴿AbuHurayrah said;﴾ This is why Allah the Most High said,

              ﴿فَكُلُواْ مِمَّا غَنِمْتُمْ حَلَـلاً طَيِّباً﴾

              (So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good.)

              the God of the Christians and Jews, had ten things (the big ten,if I recall) Believers were not supposed to do ?

              I do not think that the lord of Abraham "abrogated" (five ?) of the ten commandments for Mohammad, and fellow Muslims, do you ? (LOL)

              Allah makes the booty (any and all, ill-gotten gain) and rape during war, lawful and good.

              "allah is the "ROCK" god of the Kaaba, it is the cornerstone of the building, and the faith.

              http://www.tutorgig.com/ed/Black_Stone#History_and_tradition

              The Black Stone was revered well before the rise of Islam.

              By the time of Muhammad, it was already associated with the Kaaba, a pre-Islamic shrine that was revered as a sacred sanctuary and a site of pilgrimage. The Semitic cultures of the Middle East had a tradition of using unusual stones to mark places of worship, a phenomenon which is reflected in the Hebrew Bible as well as the Qur'an.[7] A "red stone" was the deity of the south Arabian city of Ghaiman, and there was a "white stone" in the Ka'ba of al-Abalat (near the city of Tabala, south of Mecca). Worship at that time period was often associated with stone reverence, mountains, special rock formations, or distinctive trees.[8] The Kaaba marked the location where the sacred world intersected with the profane, and the embedded Black Stone was a further symbol of this as an object that linked heaven and earth.[9]

              Islamic tradition holds that the Stone fell from Heaven to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar, which became the first temple on Earth. Muslims believe that the stone was originally pure and dazzling white, but has since turned black because of the sins of the people.[10] Adam's altar and the stone were said to have been lost during Noah's Flood and forgotten. Ibrahim was said to have later found the Black Stone at the original site of Adam's altar when the angel Jibrail revealed it to him.[7] Ibrahim ordered his son Ishmael - who was also traditionally regarded as an ancestor of Muhammad - to build a new temple, the Kaaba, in which to embed the Stone.

              History is nonexistent for Abraham or Ibrahim wandering around central Arabia worshiping a rock, and building a shrine in Mekka.

              Muhammad is credited with setting the Black Stone in place in the wall of the Kaaba. A story found in Ibn Ishaq'sSirah Rasul Allah tells how the clans of Mecca renovated the Kaaba following a major fire which had partly destroyed the structure. The Black Stone had been temporarily removed to facilitate the rebuilding work. The clans could not agree on which should have the honour of setting the Black Stone back in its place. They decided to wait for the next man to come through the gate and ask him to make the decision. That individual happened to be the 35-year-old Muhammad, five years before his prophethood. He asked the elders of the clans to bring him a cloth and put the Black Stone in its centre. Each of the clan leaders held the corners of the cloth and carried the Black Stone to the right spot. Then Muhammad himself set the stone in place, satisfying the honour of all of the clans.[11]

              The Stone has suffered desecrations and significant damage over the centuries. It is said to have been struck and smashed to pieces by a stone fired from a catapult during the Umayyad siege of Mecca in 756. The fragments were rejoined by 'Abd Allah ibnZubayr using a silver ligament.[11] In January 930 it was stolen by the Qarmatians, who carried the Black Stone away to their base in Hajar (modern Bahrain). According to Ottoman historian Qutbal-Din, writing in 1857, Qarmatian leader AbuTahiral-Qarmati set the Black Stone up in his own mosque, the Masjid al-Dirar, with the intention of redirecting the Hajj away from Mecca. However, this failed, and pilgrims continued to venerate the spot where the Black Stone had been.[12]

              According to historian Al-Juwayni, the Stone was returned twenty-three years later, in 952. The Qarmatians held the Black Stone for ransom, and forced the Abbasids to pay a huge sum for its return. It was wrapped in a sack and thrown into the Friday Mosque of Kufa, accompanied by a note saying "By command we took it, and by command we have brought it back." Its abduction and removal caused further damage, breaking the stone into seven pieces.[7][13][14]

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              Reply#2 - Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:48 PM EST
              BWil

              The term "Jewish" wasn't even around during Abraham's day. The word Jewish comes from Judah. Judah wasn't even born yet.

              The " Hebrew and Jew interchangeable" that the link you left, it is because people today are ignorant of the difference and they call Hebrews Jews. Israel split into two countries. Judah and Israel. There are 10 lost tribes of Israel, these people are not Jews. They did not come from Judah. For us to call them Jews is just pure ignorance.

              Jew·ish (jo̵̅o̅′is̸h)

              adjective

              of or having to do with Jews or Judaism
              http://www.yourdictionary.com/jewish
              from the same place you linked to

              • 1 vote
              Reply#3 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:31 AM EST
              kpr37

              Jewish" wasn't even around during Abraham's day.

              neither was I.

              I live in the twenty-first century.

              and in the time and place that I inhabit, Abraham was, and is a "Jew"

              it is because people today are ignorant

              you are smarter than a dictionary, are you ?

              But you're lacking in the intellect ? to comment on the article, and you troll me.

              How utterly "progressive" of you.

              care to comment regrading the article

                #3.1 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:20 AM EST
                AK Luahiwa

                He was merely correcting you as I did earlier.

                  #3.2 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:35 PM EST
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                  hhabilis

                  Who is Allah? Well, based on the actions Mohammed claimed Allah explicitly authorized him to take, including mass murder, torture, extortion, thievery, slavery, rape, and sexual relations with a nine-year-old girl (that last being the only act for which Jesus expressly prescribed the death penalty), Allah can only be Satan.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#4 - Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:25 PM EST
                  Goes

                  hhabilis
                  You are correct, I completely agree with your conclusion.

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:16 AM EDT
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                  The "warrior" of islam

                  Great research. Well done, Arab pre Mohammed practices are core of Islam plus some hearsays from Judaism and Christianity. What an irony that desert tribes pagan practices have now become the salvation of 1.4 billion devoted. Hajj, fasting, prayers and belief in Allah are four out of the five components of Islam ; all part of Qureshi habits pre Muhammad. The most inhospitable part of the world with most hackneyed practices gave the world laws that are so unintelligible and so unfeasible.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#5 - Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:37 PM EDT
                  Goes

                  The "warrior" of islam
                  Think you for reading, and sharing your thoughts about the topic.

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
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                  Wandered

                  Goes informs us:

                  ...the two main religions... are undoubtedly from GOD.

                  Undoubtedly? How is one occurrence of "some guy said god told him to tell you" more credible than another?

                    Reply#6 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
                    Goes

                    Wandered

                    It is for me, if it is not for you, that is your own opinion, or belief, you are entitled to it, exactly, as I am entitled to mine.

                    Thank you for reading.

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                    #6.1 - Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
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