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Muhammed and the devil

Thu Sep 2, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
religion, devil, mohamed
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Strange childhood symptoms

The following story came in ‘Serat Ibn Hisham’ chapter ‘Halima returns Mohamed to his mother’. Halimas’ husband told her, that he’s worried that the boy would be sick, so return him back to his mother, before it shows. They took the boy, back to his mother, who asked, why did they brought him back? Were you worried about him from the devil?

This one, came in ‘Al Serah Al Halabeyin’ part 1, page 407. Mohamed used to receive some sort of ritual, to protect him from evil eye, while he was in Mecca, before his prophecy. He used to look unconscious; he closes his eyes and tumbles.

Strange symptoms while receiving his Revelation

In ‘Al Serah Al Halabeyin’ part 1, page 407; the author mentioned, that when Mohamed started receiving the Qur’an, the same symptoms, that used to happen to him before, happened again. In ‘Meshkat Al Masabieh’ cheaper ‘Start of revelation’ “Aisha said, that Mohamed was asked about how he receives the revelation, he answered; sometimes like loud bells, and sometimes very loud till I loose conscious.

What happened in laurel “Hiraa”

The story is from, ‘Sahieh Al Bukhary’ part 4, page 1894. “The story by ‘Aisha’; An angel came to Mohamed, and ordered him to read, Mohamed said I don’t read. The angel chocked him, till Mohamed got very tired. Then he let him go, and ordered him to read once again. The same scenario, was repeated three times. He went back to ‘Khadiga’, and when he entered the house, he asked her to cover him. She covered him, and waited till he calmed down. He told ‘Khadiga’, I got worried about myself,” and in ‘Al Serah Al Halabeyia’; he explained what Mohamed meant, by saying he got worried about himself; he was worried that who he saw was the devil.

Mohamed’s devil converted to Islam

So many Islamic books, mentioned that Mohamed’s devil, converted to Islam. This story was mentioned in ninety seven Islamic books.

The question is, how come that one of the devils converts to Islam. Is this possible for devils, to return back to God, and be forgiven?

The Qur’an itself, judged who relates to the devil, in ‘Al Nisaa’ (38) “And those who spend their property (in alms) to be seen of the people and do not believe in Allah nor in the last day; and as for him whose associate is the devil, an evil associate is he!”

An overnight with the spirits

This very unusual story, was mentioned in Al Qur’an ‘Al Ahqaf’ (29) “And when we turned towards you a party of the jinn [devils] who listened to the Quran; so when they came to it, they said: Be silent; then when it was finished, they turned back to their people warning [them].” ‘Al Jin’ (1) “Say: It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn [devils] listened, and they said: Surely we have heard a wonderful Quran,”

I think that this will be the first time, in your life, as it was for me, to know that devil, will listen to God’s word, and even like it, instead of fearing, and hating it.

To me, this story has only one meaning, and this meaning I,s that the Qur’an is form the devil; and this is why they were pleased by hearing it.

Mohamed spelled

This fact was mentioned, in over one hundred Islamic books. ‘Sahieh Al Bukhary’ part 3, page 1192. “Aisha said that rhe prophet was spelled, and was imagining doing things, without really doing them. ..” Ina ‘Al Sierah Al Halabeyiah’, part 2, pages 315 and 316. “The Jew Lobaid Ibn Al Aasam, spelled the prophet…”

The spell thing happened to Mohamed, after nineteen years of announcing himself prophet.

Imagine that your prophet, from whom you received your faith, was spelled during a period of his prophecy, wouldn’t you loose faith in that prophet, and all what he claimed it was from God?

Couldn’t God find some person who wouldn’t fall into spells and choose him to be his prophet, than this one?

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rdtracker

Interesting stories, unfortunately, they are just that. There are no proofs to that any of these stories ever occurred.

    Reply#1 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT
    Goes

    Stories?! The most reliable books of serah are just stories. Is the Qur'an itself which one of its verses mentioned above is also just stories?!

    You are tight, the Qur'an is just stories, but not the serah books.

    • 2 votes
    #1.1 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
    bluearcher

    It has been speculated by various scholars that Mohammad may have been epileptic and\or schizophrenic.

    Convulsions, profuse sweating, seizures, talking to invisible angels and djinni....

    • 2 votes
    #1.2 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 1:21 AM EDT
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    rdtracker

    Where in the Qur'an are any of these things mentioned? Perhaps they are mentioned in the Talmud & Midrash which of course they would make sense.

      Reply#2 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
      Goes

      rdtracker

      Where in the Qur'an are any of these things mentioned? Perhaps they are mentioned in the Talmud & Midrash which of course they would make sense.

      In the Qur'an sura 46:29 “And when we turned towards you a party of the jinn [devils] who listened to the Quran; so when they came to it, they said: Be silent; then when it was finished, they turned back to their people warning [them].” ‘Al Jin’ (1) “Say: It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn [devils] listened, and they said: Surely we have heard a wonderful Quran,”

      Here is a link to it too http://al-quran.info/?x=y#&&sura=46&aya=29&trans=en-yusuf_ali&show=both,quran-uthmani&ver=2.00

      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
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      salik

      Goes goes goes goes....

      interpretation of 'jinn' as 'devil' is your own interpretation of this term, i would like you to go to google, write jinn and click search, following page, click on the explanation of 'jinn' by WIKIPEDIA. Jinn doesnt means 'the devil' its just a creature of god which can be good or bad just like man can be good or bad depending on which path he choses.

        Reply#3 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 6:55 AM EDT
        Goes

        Isn't the Qur'an the only book that speaks about those creatures? Where else did you hear abut them?!

        • 2 votes
        #3.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 9:09 AM EDT
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        salik

        yes quran is the only book that tells about the true existence of them and quran distinguishes 'jin' from 'devil'...what exactly is ur point here?

          Reply#4 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
          Goes

          The point is there is nothing called Jin, and it was Mohamed's invention to say that these creatures are not devils. Did it describe in details where do they live, and how, and so on.

          • 1 vote
          #4.1 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
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          salik

          hmm....so you are saying that whatever stated in quran and hadith is nothing but false inventions of prophet and quran is not at all the book from Allah...is my interpretation correct?

            Reply#5 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 2:16 AM EDT
            Goes

            If you look to the Qur'an, and its prophet with criticizing eyes, you may discover things, you never thought possible.

            Use your mind, and logic, put your motions aside, this will make you see better, and at the end you may be more convinced that what you have is the ultimate truth, or it is not, and it is nothing but human deception.

            • 2 votes
            #5.1 - Sat Sep 4, 2010 10:07 AM EDT
            salik

            whenver i read and discuss your posts i left my motions aside and whenever i read quran i use reasoning and logic.

            if read surah 'ALAQ' , what does it tell? Allah created man from a clot of blood that have a 'life' it feeds nourishes and excretes which are genuine features of life, it clings to mother's womb like a leech to feed itself. Centuries ago, when this was revealed in quran there was no way to find the truth about this 'clot of blood' there was no knowledge of such thing noway of finding the SCIENTIFIC TRUTH about it and still its commonly known as a 'biomass'. try to find out a specific term for this....no language in this world has ever described this even the term "biomass" made up of two individual words BIO and MASS to describe what was meant by quran centuries ago. What does it shows? simply...Allah has the ultimate knowledge of truth which he revealed in quran. Muhammad (PBUH) was an illetrate person before reveletion how come he could find about this very basic phase of creation of baby????

            if you agree with above explanation(and this is only one thing, there are lots of other examples) then you must agree that this is knowledge of Allah revealed to Muhammad (PBUH).

            its your turn now to use your mind and logic!!

              #5.2 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 2:48 PM EDT
              bluearcher

              ...there was no way to find the truth about this 'clot of blood' there was no knowledge of such thing...

              Incorrect. Science and medicine was thriving through out Arabia long before Mohammad.

              The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.

              By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.

              Mohammad and the Koran offered nothing new to science and medicine. Period.

              • 2 votes
              #5.3 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 1:29 AM EDT
              salik

              bluearcher;

              u shouldnt interrupt when two people are doing some serious discussion and worst ...u interrupted with some bull**** knowledge. I dont want to waste my time arguing with a 4th grader but just to summarize my counter opinions for ur posts,

              -for your information, the region in discussion was far far away from all the developments taking place else where. Moors were muslims who flourished art science and technnology long after the death of Prophet PBUH. (in the period of one of four Caliphs moors enterd spain)

              -for instance we assume they were aware of medical science, are you tryin to say that they possess the knowledge of RADIOLOGY and ULTRASOUND etc. Without these techs. its impossible to look inside human body!!!

              @GOES;

              give ur pal bluearcher some logic and resoning :)

              @GOES and BLUARCHER;

              read some arab history before advent of Islam and you will come to know what sort of illetracy prevailed at that time

                #5.4 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 6:36 AM EDT
                bluearcher

                ...you interrupted with some bull**** knowledge...

                Facts are BS? Regardless of how you try to spin it, your assertion is wrong.

                Allah has the ultimate knowledge of truth which he revealed in quran.

                No he he didn't. As shown by the multitude of incorrect information in the Koran. I can fill volumes with the contradictions, falsehoods of Mohammad.

                Muhammad (PBUH) was an illetrate person before reveletion how come he could find about this very basic phase of creation of baby????

                The same way he found out about Judaism and then copied it to create Islam. The same way he used pagan beliefs of Arabic tribes and inserted them into the Koran. Why do you think Mo's comments on Christianity in the Koran are so incorrect? By verbal transmission. Or are you going to claim that Mo' couldn't hear and talk?

                ...then you must agree that this is knowledge of Allah revealed to Muhammad (PBUH).

                Really? Considering the available source material during the 6th and 7th century from a multitude of cultures within the region, various fields of knowledge were readily available.

                ...the region in discussion was far far away from all the developments taking place else where.

                Another false statement. Jerusalem, Mecca, Medina, etc were all easily reachable by trade caravans during the time period.

                Moors were muslims who flourished art science and technnology long after the death of Prophet PBUH.

                So? That has little to do with the fact of where a majority of the Moors knowledge base originated from. The Assyrians, Babylonians, Greek, Chaldeans, Romans, etc.

                Without these techs. its impossible to look inside human body!!!

                Again incorrect. All of the societies\cultures I named above practiced vivisection and anatomical surgery techniques.

                read some arab history before advent of Islam and you will come to know what sort of illetracy prevailed at that time

                Illiteracy does not equate to a total lack of knowledge and the transmission of that knowledge. Additionally, there were many literate people through out the region prior to the 6th and 7th centuries. The area was not nearly as "dumb" as you state.

                • 3 votes
                #5.5 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 7:26 AM EDT
                salik

                As shown by the multitude of incorrect information in the Koran. I can fill volumes with the contradictions, falsehoods of Mohammad

                i can fill volumes as well about contradictions in bible as well so dont force me to....

                  #5.6 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 5:27 AM EDT
                  salik

                  The same way he found out about Judaism and then copied it to create Islam. The same way he used pagan beliefs of Arabic tribes and inserted them into the Koran. Why do you think Mo's comments on Christianity in the Koran are so incorrect? By verbal transmission. Or are you going to claim that Mo' couldn't hear and talk?

                  so now you are saying islam is copied from earlier religions?? the fact that there are similarities only confirms that islam is a religion from same god who revealed judaism and christanity. what about those modifications in bible done by its followers after jesus??

                    #5.7 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 5:41 AM EDT
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                    Goes

                    http://islamicscholars.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/26/4972781-islam-innocent-of-911-christianity-innocent-of-nuclear-bombings?pc=25&sp=0&last=1283638467#c17096832

                    The above is a link to the same post, I discussed it before.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#6 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 7:14 PM EDT
                    salik

                    i read that comment but it seems like you have convinced urself that quran's description varies from scientific description i.e bones from flesh!!

                    and what about the fact that man's sperm cell is responsible for determining the gender of baby unlike the old belive that woman's ovum responsible for baby's gender! quran explained this ...now try denying this as well!! (oh, you can use little help from your pal bluearcher if you want to)

                      #6.1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 6:47 AM EDT
                      Goes

                      salik

                      If you gave me a hundred scientific facts claiming they were from God. 99 of those facts are correct, and only 1 was wrong, will you be able at that time to tell me that God made that mistake, or it slipped through his hands, or whatsoever explanations.

                      God does not make mistakes, one tiny mistake proves that this was not from God, and this is the message that I wanted you to receive, bringing more scientific facts, does not eliminate the error, and God cannot make that error, so those facts must have came from some other source.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.2 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 8:45 AM EDT
                      Goes

                      Here is a link to a deep discussion of this issue in Qur'an

                      http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embryo.html

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.3 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 9:00 AM EDT
                      salik

                      i never saw a contradiction in science and quran here, can u tell me where exactly is that contradiction??

                        #6.4 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 5:24 AM EDT
                        Goes

                        Are you kidding me?! Did you read the article well?

                        This article proves two things:

                        First there is a lot of scientific contradictions, between the Qur'an, and what really happens in pregnancy.

                        Second, it proves that the information that came in the Qur'an was not new to the world, and was already there before Mohamed.

                          #6.5 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 9:27 AM EDT
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